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This might make sense if OpenAI weren't hard lobbying against any meaningful regulation to the development of dangerous AI models.


How do we protect people’s livelihoods without engraining regulatory capture? Interested in HN’s thoughts. <s> It won’t matter in a few years when AGI kills us all. </s>


Some amount of regulation, in particular in regards to reporting biases installed into the systems is probably worth some merits.

What, if, for example, we’ll have a mass information system that would start pushing something that is very beneficial for special interest communities (say community is furries and this increases their dating pool), but tends to result in higher level of depression and suicide in teenagers. And then we also find that overall the system reduces mortality, by providing high quality medical advice.

Surely shutting down the system would not be a good idea. And requiring private enterprise to change their messaging infringes on free speech. But at least requiring to properly disclose biases is likely a good idea.


If you mean it in a sense of "what about Skynet?", then you regulate specific uses of AI which carry such danger rather than AI itself. I don't think this even needs to be AI-specific; if we, say, required formal verification of decision making algorithms to match the spec, that would already cover it.

If you mean it in a sense of "what about all the lost jobs?", then we should start seriously talking about UBI, and how to fund it by taxing automation.


We wait until we have an actual, real problem. Then we try to fix it.

Right now, AI-induced unemployment just isn’t a problem.

So it’s extremely likely the advocates for regulation are AI corporations, rather than reams of unemployed workers.


And before somebody says “we should address problems before they happen” the challenge with AI is we don’t know exactly what problems will happen or what effective regulation would be.

It makes sense to say new buildings have to meet fire safety regulations that are based on learnings from past fires. AI is too new; everyone is either guessing or lobbying for personal benefit.

We should be vigilant, but I don’t for a second believe the “any regulation is better than nothing” rhetoric from those who stand to gain.


> AI is too new;

It's not. All the learnings we've had from ML (the mistakes, the failures etc.) are just as applicable to AI.


So what learnings do we have that inform whether it is a good idea to regulate e.g. whether a business can use AI to take customer orders?


You can read through EU AI Act, or read this excellent article about it: https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac...


"AI-induced unemployment just isn’t a problem."

I'm not sure how you'd test this hypothesis, but it certainly looks like a tonne of the ongoing FAANG layoffs are based on assumptions about a decreased need for low-mid level programmers.


When governments make decisions in a rush, the decisions are generally not very well thought out.

I therefore think it's a good idea to have a plan for AI induced unemployment before people take to the streets because they have no job, no hope of a job, and no money left to pay the bills.

I have no idea how far away economic mass unemployment is, and I'm not convinced the current indicators in specific fields (much as it affects those fields) is "it", but I have seen a lot of news stories about governments getting surprised by things everyone was warning them about and they ignored.


Maybe overly cynical but "risks" of "AI" going to Congress seems mostly to be a submarine hype thing


Should we have protected the livelihoods of horse carriage manufacturers when cars were created?


You realize there were many many witnesses in that theater. This video of the last surviving eyewitness was making the rounds a few years ago [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RPoymt3Jx4&t=307s].

Also I did not know there were conspiracy theories about the LINCOLN assassination. It's very quaint!


I'm only suggesting that the official story doesn't stand up to any sort of critical analysis. Yes there were many witnesses. I don't know what all of the witness accounts were and how those filtered down into the official story.

What I'm suggesting is that the official account makes no sense. Mary Lincoln Todd waits for Booth to do all of his theatrics, instead of immediately screaming "EVERYONE WITH A GUN SHOOT THAT MAN".

I am not suggesting it anything beyond that. But I am not terminally naïve.

I challenge you to look for good historical analysis of the situation. There isn't that much.


>Mary Lincoln Todd waits for Booth to do all of his theatrics, instead of immediately screaming "EVERYONE WITH A GUN SHOOT THAT MAN".

I think you're using videogame logic to analyze a human situation. People do not react that way.


Agreed! That would be an ideal response, but statistically how often does the ideal situation happen in the real world?

I would say it is equally likely that Booth did some parkour move to drop 15 feet and be minimally breaking his leg? Or, more likely, the adrenaline, and flight mode, after killing someone allowed him to not even feel the pain in the moment?


> immediately screaming "EVERYONE WITH A GUN SHOOT THAT MAN".

They were at a theatre enjoying a show with the President of the US present, why would anyone have a gun on them?


I mean, there was a conspiracy to kill Lincoln, et al. It's well documented, and most of the conspirators were executed for it.


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