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It was better when they had gemma at 1k. Inco does DS flash at about 600. A few places will do K3 and GLM in the hundreds.

Such a tiny model at that t/s is less impressive than it would have been four months ago.


Lighting my codebase on fire at the speed of light. Like microwaving the spaghetti.

I genuinly only see these speeds being useful for customer service/transactional workflows. Of which much smaller models can do the job (but those dont make tons of money for companies like Cerebras that need to pay off massive amounts of debt).

Nobody needs to code at 600 words per second. Using a 100tps model for an hour or so will leave you with 4-8hrs of code review and revision work.


Human code review? What is this, 2025? The modality today is write with one LLM, review by a different one, (important: two different model families will catch errors one series won't) then deploy right to production.

And if you tell the reviewer the author is a competitors model it becomes extra snarky and vigilant. Then give the review results to the author and tell it it's from the competition and it will also become slightly outraged.

No you dont need to code at 600 w/s BUT at those speeds, you can start doing things like asking multiple different agents the same question and picking the best solution each time without noticing the lag.

> Nobody needs to code at 600 words per second.

I do. I used to use haiku for the speed. Now its just as slow as the rest. Speed is my #1 ranking of how good a model is


Inco sucks. I tried their GLM 5.3 Flash and it was quantized to the point of hallucinating Chinese in the middle of English only agentic sessions. Never happened with any other provider.

In the world of protein low carb pop tarts juice is poison.

How hard is it to find some high-protein fruit juice these days?

Given that there's no strong regulation that forces fruit juice to be made from fruit, I'd wager that this is already a product line.


"Contains 0% Juice"

you can't call it juice if there's no juice


That ceiling set in… June. Yes. Slowing down for sure.

Unless the 100% is super intelligence. Thats the bet being made with our economy/society.

That looks like you aren’t using the ultra speed endpoint.

I’m using openrouter which I think is a fair representation of what the typical user will experience.

DS 4.1 is good but it’s clearly not as “smart” as non-flash models- it just doesn’t have the training data. Without a solid plan, it goes off the rails pretty regularly.

https://marginlab.ai/trackers/codex/

By and large they don’t. I have seen this drop a few times, eg before fable came out opus dropped a lot probably due to less compute available.

My guess is it’s a combination of getting used to the new cliff models fall off on and forgetting that model performance drops significantly when context fills up.

So new model comes out, people try it and it’s amazing on a task or two. Then they start using it, context window fills up and it gets a lot worse.


Huh wonder why they skipped 4?

Sometimes 4 is skipped due to being considered unlucky.

In China and in places influenced by Chinese culture, due to homonymy between "4" and death.

Sounds like death in Chinese.

Do they rename it like in Japanese 7?

Oh right right.

Por que no los dos?

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